1 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:07,749 [Music] 2 00:00:13,430 --> 00:00:11,110 hello and welcome to episode number 56 3 00:00:17,750 --> 00:00:13,440 of the point of convergence podcast 4 00:00:19,750 --> 00:00:17,760 as always i am your host exo academian 5 00:00:22,310 --> 00:00:19,760 in the two previous episodes of the 6 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:22,320 podcast we covered the key elements of 7 00:00:26,870 --> 00:00:24,880 the case of terry lovelace a man who's 8 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:26,880 had a lifetime of experiences with 9 00:00:30,950 --> 00:00:28,800 apparently non-human 10 00:00:33,670 --> 00:00:30,960 alien intelligences 11 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:33,680 lovelace's case is punctuated by events 12 00:00:38,549 --> 00:00:36,320 known as abductions which involve human 13 00:00:41,110 --> 00:00:38,559 beings being visited by these alien 14 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:41,120 others and then transported by way of 15 00:00:45,430 --> 00:00:42,719 their technology 16 00:00:47,990 --> 00:00:45,440 up into craft either situated above a 17 00:00:49,830 --> 00:00:48,000 particular location or apparently 18 00:00:52,150 --> 00:00:49,840 orbiting the earth 19 00:00:54,869 --> 00:00:52,160 in one instance lovelace recounts being 20 00:00:57,029 --> 00:00:54,879 transported to a massive mothership 21 00:00:59,430 --> 00:00:57,039 so large that it needed to be parked on 22 00:01:02,150 --> 00:00:59,440 the far side of the moon in order to not 23 00:01:03,750 --> 00:01:02,160 be visible to the naked eye of those on 24 00:01:06,149 --> 00:01:03,760 earth 25 00:01:08,230 --> 00:01:06,159 as it turns out a case such as lovelaces 26 00:01:09,910 --> 00:01:08,240 is not terribly unique 27 00:01:12,630 --> 00:01:09,920 in fact beyond certain fairly 28 00:01:15,350 --> 00:01:12,640 superficial differences this case bears 29 00:01:18,070 --> 00:01:15,360 remarkable similarity to a host of other 30 00:01:20,789 --> 00:01:18,080 cases documented within the annals of 31 00:01:22,870 --> 00:01:20,799 the ufo phenomenon literature 32 00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:22,880 in fact it is not a stretch to say that 33 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:24,880 this particular kind of alien 34 00:01:28,789 --> 00:01:27,520 interaction is one of the most commonly 35 00:01:30,789 --> 00:01:28,799 reported 36 00:01:33,429 --> 00:01:30,799 and of course that's precisely why i 37 00:01:35,510 --> 00:01:33,439 picked lovelace's case to highlight 38 00:01:37,990 --> 00:01:35,520 because it is so representative of a 39 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:38,000 larger phenomenon that speaks to a group 40 00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:40,320 of alien others interacting with human 41 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:42,880 beings all across the planet and over 42 00:01:47,270 --> 00:01:45,840 the course of multiple generations 43 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:47,280 so now that we've taken the time to 44 00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:49,119 highlight some of the specifics of 45 00:01:53,590 --> 00:01:51,520 lovelace's case and how it played out 46 00:01:55,590 --> 00:01:53,600 over the course of his lifetime 47 00:01:57,830 --> 00:01:55,600 in this episode i'd like to dive into 48 00:02:00,550 --> 00:01:57,840 the key elements of these particular 49 00:02:02,709 --> 00:02:00,560 kinds of cases that again are well 50 00:02:04,069 --> 00:02:02,719 attested throughout the ufo phenomenon 51 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:04,079 literature 52 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:06,719 what the data tells us is that barring 53 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:09,280 some massive disinformation campaign 54 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:11,360 involving thousands of people all across 55 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:14,080 the world co-conspiring to enact some 56 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:16,560 bizarre and unwieldy psyop 57 00:02:20,390 --> 00:02:18,879 these events really are happening in one 58 00:02:22,550 --> 00:02:20,400 way or another 59 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:22,560 this particular kind of human alien 60 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:26,239 interaction is going on on mass as we 61 00:02:29,830 --> 00:02:27,760 speak 62 00:02:32,710 --> 00:02:29,840 this answers the what's happening or 63 00:02:34,949 --> 00:02:32,720 what is it aspect of the ufo phenomenon 64 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:34,959 or at least in relation to one aspect of 65 00:02:38,790 --> 00:02:36,400 it because again 66 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:38,800 as i keep trying to drive home from my 67 00:02:43,910 --> 00:02:40,879 perspective what we conveniently call 68 00:02:46,070 --> 00:02:43,920 the ufo phenomenon is likely an amalgam 69 00:02:48,309 --> 00:02:46,080 of numerous phenomena arising from 70 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:48,319 different intelligences with likely 71 00:02:52,470 --> 00:02:50,640 different origin stories not to mention 72 00:02:54,630 --> 00:02:52,480 different agendas 73 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:54,640 but in relation to this one key element 74 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:56,640 of the larger phenomenon 75 00:03:02,070 --> 00:02:58,800 knowing what's happening only serves to 76 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:02,080 beg certain key questions such as 77 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:03,680 who's involved 78 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:06,000 why are they doing it and how are they 79 00:03:09,670 --> 00:03:07,120 doing it 80 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:09,680 we might also ask how is it that this is 81 00:03:14,470 --> 00:03:12,400 happening seemingly under the very noses 82 00:03:16,790 --> 00:03:14,480 of the world's populace 83 00:03:19,350 --> 00:03:16,800 said differently why the societal 84 00:03:20,949 --> 00:03:19,360 ignorance and or disinterest 85 00:03:23,589 --> 00:03:20,959 and to what degree are the governments 86 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:23,599 of the world aware of this phenomenon 87 00:03:27,190 --> 00:03:25,360 and to what degree might they actually 88 00:03:29,430 --> 00:03:27,200 be involved 89 00:03:31,270 --> 00:03:29,440 these are the very thorny but essential 90 00:03:32,390 --> 00:03:31,280 questions we'll seek to find some 91 00:03:35,670 --> 00:03:32,400 clarity on 92 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:35,680 in this the 56th episode of the point of 93 00:03:44,309 --> 00:03:42,309 [Music] 94 00:03:46,630 --> 00:03:44,319 as i mentioned in the introduction in 95 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:46,640 the two episodes previous to this we 96 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:49,120 discussed the terry lovelace case in 97 00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:50,400 some detail 98 00:03:54,149 --> 00:03:52,400 and while we'll only be touching on that 99 00:03:56,710 --> 00:03:54,159 case in passing today because we're 100 00:03:58,789 --> 00:03:56,720 going to focus more on the key trends 101 00:04:00,630 --> 00:03:58,799 that are found within these cases you 102 00:04:03,670 --> 00:04:00,640 may want to go back and listen to those 103 00:04:06,149 --> 00:04:03,680 two podcast episodes first episodes 54 104 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:06,159 and 55 so that you'll fully understand 105 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:07,840 what's going on in what we discussed 106 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:09,360 today 107 00:04:13,270 --> 00:04:12,000 now terry's case is one of thousands 108 00:04:15,670 --> 00:04:13,280 just like it 109 00:04:18,150 --> 00:04:15,680 are so closely aligned with numerous 110 00:04:20,710 --> 00:04:18,160 other encounters so as to suggest that 111 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:20,720 this kind of encounter is descriptive of 112 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:23,360 a specific kind of event or series of 113 00:04:28,950 --> 00:04:25,680 events orchestrated by the same 114 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:28,960 definitive type of entities 115 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:31,040 now let's first discuss what's involved 116 00:04:34,469 --> 00:04:32,880 with these kinds of cases there are 117 00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:34,479 numerous elements we want to touch on 118 00:04:37,909 --> 00:04:35,440 here 119 00:04:40,390 --> 00:04:37,919 number one the people being interacted 120 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:40,400 with by these non-human beings 121 00:04:45,590 --> 00:04:42,960 often begin to experience this kind of 122 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:45,600 event in childhood now it's worth noting 123 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:47,840 that sometimes it's only later in life 124 00:04:53,189 --> 00:04:50,240 in adulthood that certain 125 00:04:55,510 --> 00:04:53,199 associative events trigger memories 126 00:04:56,950 --> 00:04:55,520 that help these individuals realized 127 00:04:59,510 --> 00:04:56,960 they had had encounters with these 128 00:05:01,189 --> 00:04:59,520 beings even as young children so that's 129 00:05:03,749 --> 00:05:01,199 the first element that it begins in 130 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:03,759 childhood very commonly that's the case 131 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:05,680 in fact you could almost argue that for 132 00:05:10,870 --> 00:05:08,240 these kinds of entities and these kinds 133 00:05:13,029 --> 00:05:10,880 of cases if you're already an adult and 134 00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:13,039 you do not have any memory of these 135 00:05:17,510 --> 00:05:15,120 kinds of cases unless they've been 136 00:05:19,830 --> 00:05:17,520 repressed the chances are if you've not 137 00:05:21,990 --> 00:05:19,840 been interacted with yet one could argue 138 00:05:23,749 --> 00:05:22,000 that you won't because it seems like a 139 00:05:25,749 --> 00:05:23,759 very common trend that those that do 140 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:25,759 have these experiences have them from 141 00:05:29,590 --> 00:05:27,440 childhood on 142 00:05:31,670 --> 00:05:29,600 sometimes it lasts into early adulthood 143 00:05:33,749 --> 00:05:31,680 and then cuts off and then sometimes it 144 00:05:36,469 --> 00:05:33,759 happens throughout the entire lifetime 145 00:05:38,469 --> 00:05:36,479 and sometimes it happens with long spans 146 00:05:40,629 --> 00:05:38,479 in between a decade or more or two 147 00:05:41,749 --> 00:05:40,639 decades even when nothing seemingly 148 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:41,759 happens 149 00:05:46,070 --> 00:05:43,520 of course because these others can 150 00:05:48,710 --> 00:05:46,080 control perception and consciousness we 151 00:05:50,390 --> 00:05:48,720 can't be sure of that last metric 152 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:50,400 it may be that they are interacting with 153 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:52,560 us even in those in-between times but 154 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:54,240 we're just not aware of it 155 00:05:58,790 --> 00:05:55,840 i should also bring to your attention 156 00:06:01,270 --> 00:05:58,800 that there is one suggestion out there 157 00:06:03,350 --> 00:06:01,280 that posits that perhaps everyone is 158 00:06:05,189 --> 00:06:03,360 being interacted with by these beings 159 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:05,199 that everyone or at least almost 160 00:06:10,870 --> 00:06:08,080 everyone is being abducted or at least 161 00:06:12,469 --> 00:06:10,880 vast segments of the population are and 162 00:06:15,430 --> 00:06:12,479 it's just that a certain segment a 163 00:06:18,550 --> 00:06:15,440 certain subsection of the population has 164 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:18,560 the capacity to remember these events 165 00:06:22,629 --> 00:06:20,080 now as i also mentioned in the 166 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:22,639 introduction the next element is that 167 00:06:27,029 --> 00:06:25,120 these people are taken by these others 168 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:27,039 and then transported on board what 169 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:29,680 seemed to be some kind of craft 170 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:31,360 now it should be pointed out here that 171 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:34,000 some will argue this is an illusion that 172 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:36,160 actually these people are only being 173 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:38,240 interacted with in their consciousness 174 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:40,960 so to speak in other words they perceive 175 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:42,960 being taken to another craft but perhaps 176 00:06:46,390 --> 00:06:44,479 they never left their bedrooms that's 177 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:46,400 what some people would posit 178 00:06:51,430 --> 00:06:48,960 but of course this begs the question how 179 00:06:53,749 --> 00:06:51,440 do we explain artifacts in manifest 180 00:06:55,589 --> 00:06:53,759 reality that are tied to these events 181 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:55,599 here we're talking about elements like 182 00:07:01,670 --> 00:06:58,400 radar returns soil indentations 183 00:07:03,350 --> 00:07:01,680 shrubbery burns markings on the grass of 184 00:07:05,749 --> 00:07:03,360 course in terms of the individuals 185 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:05,759 themselves they very often have marks 186 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:08,560 left on their bodies or radiation burns 187 00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:09,840 etc 188 00:07:14,070 --> 00:07:11,520 so that seems to suggest that this is 189 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:14,080 happening at a level of reality beyond 190 00:07:18,710 --> 00:07:16,880 just the people's perception alone 191 00:07:20,710 --> 00:07:18,720 now in terms of the kinds of craft they 192 00:07:22,469 --> 00:07:20,720 are transported to 193 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:22,479 this really covers the gamut you get 194 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:24,240 everything from your traditional flying 195 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:25,280 saucer 196 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:28,319 to triangles to massive orbital craft 197 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:31,199 that look like massive rectangles and 198 00:07:34,629 --> 00:07:32,720 people have actually put together 199 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:34,639 illustrative charts showing all the 200 00:07:39,510 --> 00:07:36,800 different variations on the different 201 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:39,520 kinds of craft described and it really 202 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:42,000 does cover the gamut it is quite amazing 203 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:43,840 so much so that one actually wonders if 204 00:07:47,909 --> 00:07:46,080 perhaps shape-shifting is part and 205 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:47,919 parcel with these craft and some people 206 00:07:51,909 --> 00:07:49,520 have actually seen that happening 207 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:51,919 perhaps they have no fixed shape it's 208 00:07:56,230 --> 00:07:54,400 worth considering that as well 209 00:07:58,550 --> 00:07:56,240 all right let's move on to the next very 210 00:08:00,869 --> 00:07:58,560 common element attributed to these kinds 211 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:00,879 of encounters the next one on our list 212 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:03,520 is the control of space-time now here we 213 00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:05,120 think back to the case of richard 214 00:08:10,469 --> 00:08:07,919 hastings and his book confession our 215 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:10,479 hidden alien encounters revealed which 216 00:08:15,430 --> 00:08:13,360 he co-authored with bob jacobs and by 217 00:08:17,909 --> 00:08:15,440 the way that case was covered in episode 218 00:08:20,950 --> 00:08:17,919 number 30. and in that case you may 219 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:20,960 recall that hastings was returned to his 220 00:08:26,469 --> 00:08:23,840 family home after an abduction and found 221 00:08:28,869 --> 00:08:26,479 his family seated around the dinner 222 00:08:31,270 --> 00:08:28,879 table frozen in place 223 00:08:34,070 --> 00:08:31,280 we're talking about absolute complete 224 00:08:35,909 --> 00:08:34,080 suspended animation you can picture a 225 00:08:37,990 --> 00:08:35,919 fork held halfway towards someone's 226 00:08:40,469 --> 00:08:38,000 mouth their mouth the gape and they're 227 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:40,479 just frozen in place like that it's 228 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:43,120 accounts like these that suggest that 229 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:45,040 their level of control over what we 230 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:48,000 consider space-time is enormous and 231 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:50,640 extensive only once richard hastings sat 232 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:53,279 down at the table again did his family 233 00:08:57,829 --> 00:08:56,000 members reanimate and then it's not hard 234 00:08:59,910 --> 00:08:57,839 to imagine that from their perspective 235 00:09:02,230 --> 00:08:59,920 there was no gap they had been eating at 236 00:09:04,550 --> 00:09:02,240 the table all along and richard never 237 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:04,560 left the table of course for the others 238 00:09:09,110 --> 00:09:07,040 they were able to freeze the family 239 00:09:10,870 --> 00:09:09,120 remove richard conduct whatever 240 00:09:12,790 --> 00:09:10,880 experiments they did or whatever kind of 241 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:12,800 training they did for him which he only 242 00:09:16,630 --> 00:09:14,800 partially recalls and then when he was 243 00:09:19,269 --> 00:09:16,640 returned to his family everything 244 00:09:21,269 --> 00:09:19,279 resumed as if nothing had happened 245 00:09:24,070 --> 00:09:21,279 and again this is a key element of these 246 00:09:26,230 --> 00:09:24,080 encounters and it helps explain why so 247 00:09:28,310 --> 00:09:26,240 much of this can be going on 248 00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:28,320 why this kind of manipulation of the 249 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:31,440 human populace can be so extensive so 250 00:09:35,990 --> 00:09:33,760 wide reaching and yet most people are 251 00:09:37,829 --> 00:09:36,000 completely oblivious because when you 252 00:09:39,350 --> 00:09:37,839 control space-time or at least the 253 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:39,360 perception of it because again it's 254 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:41,600 relative then you can conduct almost any 255 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:43,360 kind of activity you want with the 256 00:09:48,389 --> 00:09:46,480 majority of the populace being oblivious 257 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:48,399 and here we're reminded of the element 258 00:09:53,430 --> 00:09:50,880 we discussed last time where there's 259 00:09:55,030 --> 00:09:53,440 often the sense of silence for abductees 260 00:09:57,590 --> 00:09:55,040 just before an abduction is about to 261 00:10:00,790 --> 00:09:57,600 happen or a sighting they'll notice this 262 00:10:02,230 --> 00:10:00,800 uncanny lack of sound the usual sounds 263 00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:02,240 that they would hear in the forest for 264 00:10:06,069 --> 00:10:04,320 instance in the case from last week 265 00:10:08,069 --> 00:10:06,079 where terry lovelace was abducted along 266 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:08,079 with his friend toby or even it could be 267 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:10,480 a bustling city street that suddenly 268 00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:13,680 seems uncannily quiet it's because the 269 00:10:18,389 --> 00:10:16,320 relative space-time has been frozen or 270 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:18,399 slowed down to such a degree that that's 271 00:10:23,350 --> 00:10:20,560 what it ends up sounding like that the 272 00:10:26,069 --> 00:10:23,360 experiencer and the entities themselves 273 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:26,079 are in one relative space time while the 274 00:10:29,590 --> 00:10:28,000 rest of the populace is in a different 275 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:29,600 one again when you have this kind of 276 00:10:33,590 --> 00:10:30,640 control 277 00:10:36,389 --> 00:10:33,600 you can conduct massive operations and 278 00:10:38,389 --> 00:10:36,399 it's largely undetected and by the way 279 00:10:39,910 --> 00:10:38,399 as an aside this is partly why i find 280 00:10:42,069 --> 00:10:39,920 the notion that we could defend 281 00:10:44,389 --> 00:10:42,079 ourselves against these others so 282 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:44,399 ludicrous because regardless of how many 283 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:46,240 weapons you have and how fast they are 284 00:10:49,990 --> 00:10:48,240 and how weaponized they are and we 285 00:10:52,150 --> 00:10:50,000 already know we are far behind them in 286 00:10:54,710 --> 00:10:52,160 that regard when they can control your 287 00:10:56,550 --> 00:10:54,720 perception of space-time then those 288 00:10:59,430 --> 00:10:56,560 weapons and those defenses are 289 00:11:01,350 --> 00:10:59,440 effectively rendered useless 290 00:11:02,310 --> 00:11:01,360 okay let's move on to the next element 291 00:11:04,550 --> 00:11:02,320 which is 292 00:11:06,389 --> 00:11:04,560 people having various medical procedures 293 00:11:08,389 --> 00:11:06,399 conducted upon them 294 00:11:11,030 --> 00:11:08,399 this seems to contain both elements of 295 00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:11,040 exploration in other words these others 296 00:11:15,509 --> 00:11:13,680 trying to understand our anatomy in fact 297 00:11:17,110 --> 00:11:15,519 terry lovelace mentions this that he 298 00:11:19,430 --> 00:11:17,120 gets the sense that this is partly what 299 00:11:21,590 --> 00:11:19,440 they're doing when he finds himself 300 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:21,600 under their scalpel so to speak 301 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:23,519 but it's also for the sake of harvesting 302 00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:26,000 of genetic material again that is front 303 00:11:30,630 --> 00:11:27,920 and center with this phenomenon 304 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:30,640 particularly in these kinds of cases 305 00:11:35,350 --> 00:11:32,800 now the medical procedures can often be 306 00:11:38,069 --> 00:11:35,360 painful leaving not necessarily physical 307 00:11:40,310 --> 00:11:38,079 scars in fact they are very adept at not 308 00:11:43,110 --> 00:11:40,320 leaving any scars in fact in the two 309 00:11:45,190 --> 00:11:43,120 implants that terry lovelace later finds 310 00:11:47,910 --> 00:11:45,200 there is no evidence of how they were 311 00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:47,920 ever put in and doctors are even 312 00:11:52,150 --> 00:11:49,920 perplexed by this because they say that 313 00:11:54,550 --> 00:11:52,160 any kind of surgery that would involve 314 00:11:55,750 --> 00:11:54,560 placing something under the skin would 315 00:11:57,829 --> 00:11:55,760 leave some 316 00:12:00,949 --> 00:11:57,839 form of scar tissue even if it was 317 00:12:03,670 --> 00:12:00,959 microscopic and yet they could find none 318 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:03,680 but while there are no superficial scars 319 00:12:07,509 --> 00:12:04,880 on the skin 320 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:07,519 there are no doubt subconscious mental 321 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:11,200 scars producing for instance ptsd 322 00:12:15,990 --> 00:12:13,760 post-traumatic stress disorder as we saw 323 00:12:18,790 --> 00:12:16,000 in terry's case and if you remember from 324 00:12:20,949 --> 00:12:18,800 last week the large insectoid kind of 325 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:20,959 mantid creature that was operating on 326 00:12:24,629 --> 00:12:21,760 him 327 00:12:26,629 --> 00:12:24,639 seemed perplexed even annoyed that terry 328 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:26,639 was screaming while this medical 329 00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:29,279 procedure was being undertaken and based 330 00:12:33,829 --> 00:12:31,200 on the dialogue at least according to 331 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:33,839 how terry remembers it this being didn't 332 00:12:38,150 --> 00:12:36,079 understand how if terry knew that they 333 00:12:39,670 --> 00:12:38,160 never actually hurt him and that he's 334 00:12:41,509 --> 00:12:39,680 always returned 335 00:12:43,750 --> 00:12:41,519 basically unharmed they didn't 336 00:12:46,150 --> 00:12:43,760 understand why he continued to scream 337 00:12:48,069 --> 00:12:46,160 during these kinds of incidences but of 338 00:12:51,269 --> 00:12:48,079 course it's because partly he was 339 00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:51,279 experiencing physical pain in real time 340 00:12:54,870 --> 00:12:53,200 now what's interesting is that this 341 00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:54,880 creature tapped the side of his head and 342 00:12:59,190 --> 00:12:57,360 then he went black which tells us again 343 00:13:01,750 --> 00:12:59,200 they could have done that all along 344 00:13:04,230 --> 00:13:01,760 which begs the question why don't they 345 00:13:05,590 --> 00:13:04,240 is this just a translation issue that 346 00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:05,600 they just don't understand our 347 00:13:09,829 --> 00:13:07,440 psychology enough to incorporate this 348 00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:09,839 basic bedside manner or is there 349 00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:12,000 something else going on is some kind of 350 00:13:16,470 --> 00:13:14,560 trauma being deliberately induced 351 00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:16,480 that's worth considering as well because 352 00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:18,880 the fact that they don't take more care 353 00:13:21,829 --> 00:13:20,720 when they clearly have the capacity to 354 00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:21,839 do so 355 00:13:25,829 --> 00:13:24,079 makes one wonder and in fact in all 356 00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:25,839 these different kinds of scenarios that 357 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:27,920 we describe i want you to think about 358 00:13:30,829 --> 00:13:29,600 that is there possibly some sort of 359 00:13:34,069 --> 00:13:30,839 subversive 360 00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:34,079 psychological aim with any particular 361 00:13:38,629 --> 00:13:36,560 element of these cases that's especially 362 00:13:41,509 --> 00:13:38,639 worth considering when the particular 363 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:41,519 element seems unnecessary at least on a 364 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:43,600 physical level and i will bring to your 365 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:46,000 attention that abductees slash 366 00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:48,800 contactees like whitley strieber have 367 00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:51,680 suggested that this level of trauma can 368 00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:54,160 be conducive to a kind of psychological 369 00:13:59,590 --> 00:13:56,720 and spiritual opening which allows for 370 00:14:01,110 --> 00:13:59,600 profound spiritual transformation 371 00:14:02,949 --> 00:14:01,120 i understand some people will find that 372 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:02,959 controversial and it seems to make an 373 00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:05,440 excuse for this kind of behavior by 374 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:07,680 these others but this is an experiencer 375 00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:10,560 himself describing this and noticing the 376 00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:12,959 end result in himself so it's worth 377 00:14:18,389 --> 00:14:15,360 considering now of course another key 378 00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:18,399 element of these medical procedures 379 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:20,000 involves the harvesting of genetic 380 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:21,120 material 381 00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:23,120 and these kinds of encounters often 382 00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:26,320 involve sexual elements some as simple 383 00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:29,199 and cold as a machine extracting sperm 384 00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:32,240 or eggs or human beings being introduced 385 00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:34,320 to what appear to be examples of that 386 00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:36,800 individual's ideal physical sexual 387 00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:37,839 partner 388 00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:40,160 in order to facilitate a sexual 389 00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:43,279 encounter and then direct impregnation 390 00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:46,000 both of these kinds of scenarios are 391 00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:48,800 rampant in these abductions both are 392 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:51,839 kind of cold machine-like extraction as 393 00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:54,800 well as the inducement of actual sexual 394 00:14:59,430 --> 00:14:57,040 encounters with beings that are not 395 00:15:01,670 --> 00:14:59,440 exactly what they appear to be 396 00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:01,680 sometimes these human beings even see 397 00:15:06,389 --> 00:15:04,240 these supposed sexual partners having 398 00:15:07,269 --> 00:15:06,399 their facial features shifting in real 399 00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:07,279 time 400 00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:09,199 giving hints again that they are not 401 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:11,199 exactly what they appear to be and that 402 00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:13,600 a screen memory of some sort is being 403 00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:16,959 used to bring about the desired outcome 404 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:19,199 and speaking of that in terry's second 405 00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:21,680 book which is titled devil's den the 406 00:15:25,990 --> 00:15:23,839 reckoning which includes a series of 407 00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:26,000 letters that other people have sent him 408 00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:28,240 following reading his book one man 409 00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:30,320 recounts an experience where first he 410 00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:32,800 was sprayed with some kind of substance 411 00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,199 that basically caused physical arousal 412 00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:37,440 in him and then he was introduced to a 413 00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:40,079 being that seemed like his ideal human 414 00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:42,480 physical partner again in situations 415 00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:44,560 like this it's hard to argue for some 416 00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:47,839 sort of subversive psychological ploy it 417 00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:50,720 seems like the end goal is to obtain 418 00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:52,880 sperm and in these cases with an actual 419 00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:54,959 partner is being used though perhaps in 420 00:15:58,949 --> 00:15:57,680 disguise for the sake of impregnation 421 00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:58,959 directly 422 00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:01,040 again this element is very common in the 423 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:03,680 literature and likewise follow-up 424 00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:06,240 encounters with what appeared to be the 425 00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:07,279 actual 426 00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:10,800 human alien hybrid offspring of these 427 00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,600 humans are often introduced to them 428 00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:15,519 sometimes with the hopes that some sort 429 00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:17,839 of bonding will occur between the 430 00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:20,000 offspring and the human being 431 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:21,759 which again in itself is somewhat 432 00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:24,160 strange because apparently it seems like 433 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:26,399 often they're given a few minutes as if 434 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:28,160 these aliens are trying to check off the 435 00:16:33,269 --> 00:16:31,120 list okay bonding has happened when we 436 00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:33,279 know when it comes to the raising of 437 00:16:38,629 --> 00:16:36,000 healthy human beings you need to have an 438 00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:38,639 ongoing relationship with the parents 439 00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:40,959 especially the mother in order to 440 00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:43,680 promote a healthy overall psychology and 441 00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:46,079 the emergence of a healthy sense of self 442 00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:48,320 so these one and done introductions seem 443 00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:50,880 somewhat strange in that sense again 444 00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:52,959 this could be again a translation error 445 00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,399 that they just don't understand the 446 00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:56,880 psychology perhaps they do not raise 447 00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:58,800 their young this way it's hard to know 448 00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:01,120 but again a very strange element but no 449 00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,920 doubt very commonly these human beings 450 00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,439 who've had their genetic material 451 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:07,439 harvested by these others later 452 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,240 encounter their very own offspring which 453 00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,199 clearly look to be only part human but 454 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:15,679 also part alien but from the part that 455 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:17,760 is human they do recognize their own 456 00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:20,160 biological traits in other words they do 457 00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:22,000 believe that these are actually their 458 00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,319 offspring and they often experience a 459 00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:26,160 kind of love between the entity and 460 00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:28,720 themselves but again one really cannot 461 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:31,280 overstate this aspect of the phenomenon 462 00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:33,200 the harvesting of genetic material 463 00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:36,160 resulting in hybrid offspring seems to 464 00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:39,440 be front and center much of the time 465 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:41,919 another key element that often arises in 466 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,840 these kinds of experiences 467 00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:46,080 is a kind of schooling especially when 468 00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:49,120 the human beings are children and indeed 469 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:51,520 terry lovelace mentions this as well 470 00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,400 often this kind of training or schooling 471 00:17:58,630 --> 00:17:56,320 involves training in telepathic 472 00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:58,640 communication as well as telekinetic 473 00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,039 manipulation of the environment and 474 00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:02,960 interestingly if you remember from last 475 00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:05,679 week the hybrid being who is kind of a 476 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,679 guide for terry throughout his life 477 00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:09,840 informs him that while he tends to feel 478 00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,559 psychologically exposed she says to him 479 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:14,640 that he can learn to guard his thoughts 480 00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:16,640 even though they are using telepathic 481 00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,080 communication 482 00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:20,000 so that's interesting as well because in 483 00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:22,320 addition to hybrid offspring being 484 00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:25,360 produced by a combination of these human 485 00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:28,880 donors and alien others there also seems 486 00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,960 to be a training of these actual human 487 00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,120 beings so they develop their psi 488 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:35,840 capacities one wonders why is this the 489 00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,240 case is this partly to bring about a 490 00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:40,799 scenario where communication happens 491 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:43,440 more easily between the two species 492 00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:45,760 because presumably you could argue that 493 00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,720 if terry learns how to use telepathy and 494 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:50,799 telekinetic powers that he could perhaps 495 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:53,440 pass that on to his lineage even on 496 00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:54,640 earth 497 00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,240 and when you add to that the next 498 00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:58,240 element we're going to discuss which is 499 00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:00,160 that these are multi-generational 500 00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,960 encounters that makes even more sense 501 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,039 that perhaps in addition to a tweaking 502 00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:07,600 of the genome of those specific genetic 503 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,240 lineages there's also a kind of training 504 00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:12,640 that happens to develop certain psy 505 00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,360 capacities again perhaps for the sake of 506 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:17,760 some sort of future communication or 507 00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:20,320 future intermingling of the species when 508 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:22,720 a more pronounced and direct 509 00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,000 introduction actually takes place 510 00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,000 all right moving on to the next element 511 00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,760 that is common in these kinds of 512 00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:31,120 scenarios 513 00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:33,919 these human beings often see aliens of 514 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:36,799 course on board these craft and often 515 00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,520 more than one kind of alien your typical 516 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,000 gray alien is often seen sometimes the 517 00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:44,160 short and the tall grays or one or the 518 00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:45,039 other 519 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,360 of insectoid types or reptilians or even 520 00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,160 more humanoid but not purely human 521 00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:58,640 figures like nordics for instance 522 00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,640 and of course as we've already discussed 523 00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,640 beings that look to be hybrids part 524 00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:05,039 human and part alien are often 525 00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,720 encountered as well 526 00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,799 now as we learned in terry's case last 527 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:10,880 week sometimes what's seen is 528 00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:13,840 aquarium-like areas where entities seem 529 00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:15,919 to be being grown in a kind of 530 00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,159 artificial environment again perhaps 531 00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,400 this is an insight into the difference 532 00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,039 between how human bonding happens and 533 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,039 how relationship happens between 534 00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,760 offspring and the mother even in the 535 00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:29,679 womb and the way that these other 536 00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,159 entities are formed in artificial 537 00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,400 environments as embryos 538 00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,159 now we've already touched on this in 539 00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,240 part but of course this raises the 540 00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,480 question where are these hybrid children 541 00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:42,880 going are they being introduced to the 542 00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,600 earth well some yes it appears that 543 00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,520 especially the ones that could pass for 544 00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,679 us physically i mean they are 545 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,000 repopulated on the earth at times but 546 00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,400 that is far from the full picture 547 00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:56,720 many experiencers learned that these 548 00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,280 hybrids are being repopulated elsewhere 549 00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,320 that the galaxy and the larger cosmos is 550 00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,080 teeming with life and that there are 551 00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:06,880 various humanoid or hybridoid 552 00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,360 civilizations across the cosmos 553 00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,600 apparently some of these beings live on 554 00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:13,840 ships most of their lives while others 555 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,799 are repopulated to planets in our and 556 00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,480 other galaxies 557 00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,919 but the bottom line is here we should 558 00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,120 not assume that all of this 559 00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,360 hybridization that is happening is 560 00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,280 purely for the introduction of these 561 00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:27,360 beings onto the earth 562 00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:29,039 especially when people think about some 563 00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,240 sort of takeover scenario that just does 564 00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,480 not seem to be realistic and it's not 565 00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:37,120 what is described to experiencers 566 00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:38,480 generally 567 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,159 the next element we want to discuss 568 00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,080 which is related to the beings that are 569 00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,240 encountered while on board the craft is 570 00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:46,240 what appears to be a kind of social or 571 00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,520 professional hierarchy of these beings 572 00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:51,919 now the mantids the seven foot tall 573 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,480 insectoid beings that bear remarkable 574 00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,640 resemblance to praying mantis insects 575 00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,280 from the earth seem to be very often at 576 00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,840 the top of the chain so to speak then 577 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,919 come the tall graves which are often 578 00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,400 seen in a kind of overseer role 579 00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,240 and then you have the small graves which 580 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,880 are often depicted or understood to be a 581 00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,480 kind of automaton 582 00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,280 perhaps semi-organic ai 583 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,280 now note i see some people trying to 584 00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,280 make hard-line distinctions here all i 585 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,200 can say is that would be very difficult 586 00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:23,120 to do in other words it's very difficult 587 00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:24,880 to know for sure whether or not these 588 00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,159 are robots or something more biological 589 00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,400 they may be an amalgam of the two 590 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,320 perhaps using a kind of technology we 591 00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,720 just don't understand yet but trying to 592 00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,120 distinguish whether they are robots or 593 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,919 androids or something more biological by 594 00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,240 using the naked eye is kind of like us 595 00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,080 today trying to distinguish between a 596 00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,320 photo that has been photoshopped versus 597 00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,080 one that has not been 598 00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,320 one can no longer trust the naked eye 599 00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,559 because the technology is so good now 600 00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:54,880 either way these small grays are often 601 00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,840 described as automatons or servants of 602 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,400 the taller beings whether they be the 603 00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,360 taller greys or the mantid beings 604 00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:05,200 terry himself describes these small 605 00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,320 greys as quote unquote worker bees 606 00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,159 another element that is sometimes found 607 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,159 in these cases and indeed it was part of 608 00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,000 the terry lovelace case and we've 609 00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,400 already touched on it in passing is that 610 00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:19,039 implants are found inside humans bodies 611 00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,400 later on 612 00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,320 apparently they can track us with these 613 00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:24,640 devices and we should also note that 614 00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,520 some contact these slash abductees have 615 00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:29,520 been told that their health is monitored 616 00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,919 by these devices as well 617 00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,840 in other words they are not only for 618 00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,480 potentially nefarious purposes 619 00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,039 now again one wonders here couldn't they 620 00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,000 use more microscopic implants to the 621 00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,440 point where they would be almost 622 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:45,440 undetectable when you think about how 623 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,480 small how microscopic our tech is now if 624 00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,320 they are supposedly further along than 625 00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:52,799 us why couldn't they use something so 626 00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,679 tiny that it's largely imperceptible 627 00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,720 certainly hardly visually perceptible 628 00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,640 again one wonders is there more than 629 00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:02,640 meets the eye going on there is there 630 00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,279 something beyond face value 631 00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,279 that said one of the letters that was 632 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,159 written to terry in his second book 633 00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,640 depicted a situation where a child was 634 00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,720 visited and to some degree haunted 635 00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,960 because he didn't understand it by these 636 00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,720 greys who would show up in his room when 637 00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,320 he was a child 638 00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,480 and as is often the case it was also the 639 00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,880 case for terry this particular child 640 00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,799 couldn't get his parents to believe him 641 00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:28,320 they thought he was making the entire 642 00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,919 thing up one day he was sneezing and out 643 00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,080 came some sort of object from deeply 644 00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,840 embedded in his brain 645 00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,679 he actually took it out and showed his 646 00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,200 mother hoping that she would finally 647 00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,720 believe him because clearly this was 648 00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,760 something 649 00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,840 non-organic that had been implanted 650 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:46,080 inside his brain she didn't believe him 651 00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,600 she just threw it away didn't want to 652 00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:50,320 talk about it but interestingly the 653 00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,279 visits stopped after that and so this 654 00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,679 particular person who is writing terry 655 00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,919 as an adult now believed that that's how 656 00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,919 they tracked him and perhaps once they 657 00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,760 no longer had that tracking device 658 00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,679 perhaps they could no longer find him 659 00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,520 again that seems hard to believe based 660 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,600 on their technology but perhaps they 661 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,600 decided it wasn't worth tracking him at 662 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,520 that point or following him or 663 00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,600 interacting with him anymore because of 664 00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,840 what happened with the implant 665 00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:17,919 the next element we will discuss is a 666 00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,799 notion of a coming apocalypse an 667 00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,039 imminent collapse of some kind perhaps 668 00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,840 environmental or perhaps a disaster that 669 00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,480 happens via some object from space 670 00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,159 or something like that 671 00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,000 this is often part of the narrative as 672 00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,400 well for experiencers contact these 673 00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:36,320 slash abductees 674 00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,679 and of course this is interesting 675 00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,600 because it aligns with 676 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,679 information we discussed during the 677 00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:43,760 three-part series on the future human 678 00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,520 hypothesis which was episodes 46 47 and 679 00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:48,799 48. 680 00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,520 now if you remember in those episodes we 681 00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,000 talked about the notion that some people 682 00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,080 within the intelligence community 683 00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,279 reported by people such as frank milburn 684 00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,919 and ross coulthart were claiming that 685 00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,919 some of the graves were actually future 686 00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,919 humans different factions of future 687 00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,400 humans who were coming back in time in 688 00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:10,799 order to change our timeline as it 689 00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:14,000 pertains to some coming apocalypse now 690 00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,520 whether or not that's the case we don't 691 00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,440 know there's not definitive evidence 692 00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,440 either way of course but it is 693 00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,520 interesting how this overlaps with 694 00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,760 messages that are given to experiencers 695 00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,840 from the graves that don't claim to be 696 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,159 time traveling humans why is it that 697 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,080 there is such a common ground here 698 00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,400 between different experiencer stories 699 00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,640 where the narratives often include some 700 00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,520 element of coming apocalypse now to be 701 00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,679 clear this happens both in cases where 702 00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,760 people have positive and negative 703 00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,400 experiences with these others 704 00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,720 in other words some people for instance 705 00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,679 susie hansen report having a positive 706 00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,080 ongoing cooperative relationship with 707 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,919 these others that again began in 708 00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,960 childhood 709 00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,559 but even though she has a positive 710 00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,640 experience with these others she feels 711 00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,480 that part of her role is to become an 712 00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,120 ambassador to be able to help when some 713 00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,679 sort of apocalypse does arise in our 714 00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,480 future 715 00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,840 and she seems to believe this will 716 00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,600 happen in her lifetime and with her 717 00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,600 being in her 60s now i believe that's 718 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,760 not that far in the future if indeed 719 00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,520 that is true 720 00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:17,919 now the next element we want to discuss 721 00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:21,039 is the military knowledge collusion and 722 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,559 potential involvement with these others 723 00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,480 remember in terry's case 724 00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:29,279 we had the involvement of humans in tan 725 00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,320 flight suits with orange insignias of 726 00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,600 rank 727 00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,240 now terry wonders aloud if those are u.s 728 00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,559 military personnel of one kind or 729 00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,399 another and this of course is connected 730 00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,760 to his sense that during his 731 00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:43,919 interrogation and his hypnotic 732 00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,559 regression conducted by the office of 733 00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,960 special investigations he got the sense 734 00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:50,960 that they knew more than they should 735 00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,520 that the abduction phenomenon was not a 736 00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,760 new matter to them so putting two and 737 00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,919 two together he wonders if actually 738 00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,840 there is a collusion between the two 739 00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,480 groups and that u.s military personnel 740 00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,039 are actually serving on board some of 741 00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,480 these spacecraft being run by the aliens 742 00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,640 now i would make a couple points here 743 00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,399 again we shouldn't assume that just 744 00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,039 because we see humans or humanoid 745 00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,600 figures on board these craft that these 746 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:19,919 are necessarily earthly humans 747 00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,760 earthlings if you will 748 00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,320 again a common theme throughout these 749 00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:26,720 narratives is that there are humans all 750 00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,679 over the cosmos humanoid figures perhaps 751 00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,159 as part of some cosmic seeding program 752 00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,559 that happened in the distant past 753 00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,399 we've also discussed the possibility of 754 00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,559 convergent evolution and how that might 755 00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,799 have brought about the rising of 756 00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,960 humanoid or human-like figures on 757 00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,120 different planets even so we shouldn't 758 00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,200 assume that if we come across humans on 759 00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,760 board these craft that they are humans 760 00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:51,679 from earth that have been transplanted 761 00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,919 into these craft nor should we assume 762 00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,679 that if they look like military 763 00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,600 personnel that they are actually from 764 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,320 the us military for instance or some 765 00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,120 other earthly nation state in fact from 766 00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,279 my point of view if they are connected 767 00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,919 to the earth i believe it's more likely 768 00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,080 these humans service part of some kind 769 00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,279 of planted or embedded or breakaway 770 00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:15,600 civilization on the earth rather than 771 00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,399 from some official nation state that is 772 00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,559 known to us but again most likely i 773 00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,360 think these are humans from elsewhere 774 00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:25,600 now we've already partly discussed who's 775 00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,480 involved 776 00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,960 but let's get more specific about that 777 00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,799 what we seem to often find is a 778 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,279 coordinated association of different 779 00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:34,720 alien types 780 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,320 mantids greys sometimes hybrids humanoid 781 00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:41,039 humans etc that seem to be working 782 00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,039 together or at least seem to have some 783 00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,279 sort of cooperative agreement 784 00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,440 now are all these aliens coming from 785 00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,760 some far-flung star system 786 00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:51,679 have they come here from some other 787 00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,159 planetary system well i would say that's 788 00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,720 complicated perhaps originally or 789 00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,039 perhaps not for some of them but 790 00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,039 experiencers share the sense that some 791 00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,039 of them have been here longer than we 792 00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,279 have and that these others may even be 793 00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,919 responsible for our origin or at least 794 00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,240 for our genetic enhancement along the 795 00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,880 way now think for instance of a turkey 796 00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,559 and how that is actually supposedly a 797 00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,360 descendant of a creature like a t-rex 798 00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,760 they've gotten smaller over time because 799 00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,399 of evolutionary responses to changes in 800 00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,039 the physical environment of the earth 801 00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:26,880 now think of this in terms of how we 802 00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,080 find insects and reptiles on the earth 803 00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,880 that often bear a striking similarity to 804 00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,799 some of these beings 805 00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,440 suggesting the possibility of a tied to 806 00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,440 the earth a direct connection to the 807 00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:42,000 earth at least at some point in its 808 00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,039 history 809 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,720 so you see how it gets complicated 810 00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,240 because even if they originally came 811 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:48,799 from some far-flung star system or 812 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,840 because they've developed 813 00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,760 technologically so much that they've 814 00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:54,960 become a multi-system civilization they 815 00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,440 may have come from here originally so 816 00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,120 while i've pointed out that the term 817 00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,000 alien in its most root form just means 818 00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,720 other and they certainly are other to us 819 00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,640 we should be cautious in assuming that 820 00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,200 alien means space alien or that they've 821 00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,240 come from somewhere else necessarily 822 00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,080 perhaps they have not perhaps they've 823 00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,559 been here longer than we have 824 00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:19,120 now speaking of where they come from we 825 00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,320 would be remiss to have this 826 00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,799 conversation without also acknowledging 827 00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,279 that there seems to be a sense that 828 00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,519 these others especially 829 00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,159 creatures like the mantids don't usually 830 00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,039 exist in our sort of 3d plus one kind of 831 00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,279 reality that they have a different 832 00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,679 fundamental relationship to space time 833 00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,840 than we do and that's why often our 834 00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,679 experiences with them can feel quite 835 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,240 disjointed and because of that i'm 836 00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,080 suspicious of the notion that they are 837 00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,159 trying to create some sort of takeover 838 00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,799 mechanism so that they can run the world 839 00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,640 i don't think that's their intention and 840 00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,960 i don't think they will ever want to or 841 00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:57,039 perhaps even be capable of living 842 00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,399 alongside us 843 00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,320 in the world that we inhabit in our 844 00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,720 daily lives again this may be the point 845 00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,360 of the hybrids to create beings that are 846 00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:07,360 something like us and something like 847 00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,159 them 848 00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,840 not only beings that therefore could 849 00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,559 live with us alongside us in the kind of 850 00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:14,559 reality we exist within 851 00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,720 but beings that would be partly them and 852 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,039 partly us so they would create a bridge 853 00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:22,080 of understanding somewhat like spock on 854 00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,279 star trek who was part vulcan alien and 855 00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:27,840 part human something like that maybe in 856 00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,919 the cards 857 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,480 and speaking of that one final note i 858 00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,320 would like to leave you with 859 00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,200 is a question around why the hybrids may 860 00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,760 be here why the hybrids may be in the 861 00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,240 process of being introduced into our 862 00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,919 civilization 863 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:45,760 why would this be the case 864 00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:48,320 and why is it also possible that our 865 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,679 genome is being manipulated as we speak 866 00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,919 how might that be connected to our 867 00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,240 collective dance with death the 868 00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,559 misalignment that exists between our 869 00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:00,960 technological capacity to destroy 870 00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,000 ourselves and our consciousness capacity 871 00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,559 to come together in a sense of global 872 00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,399 communion 873 00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,799 and if it is the case that they have 874 00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:13,120 decided that perhaps without 875 00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,240 intervention either via direct genetic 876 00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,120 manipulation or a diluting of the 877 00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,519 aggressive tendencies in our population 878 00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,799 by introducing hybrids that the chances 879 00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,039 that we will end up destroying ourselves 880 00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,760 and taking along innocent bystanders 881 00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,159 that exist as part of the symbiotic 882 00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,320 biosphere that we are a part of 883 00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:37,200 is simply too high a likelihood to leave 884 00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,399 alone 885 00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,480 is that an argument that when you look 886 00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,039 at the current state of our civilization 887 00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,760 you can actually in good conscience 888 00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,519 disagree with 889 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,440 a question worth pondering i would 890 00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,120 suggest 891 00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,760 and on that note we've come to the close 892 00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,600 of another edition of the point of 893 00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,440 convergence podcast 894 00:34:02,950 --> 00:33:59,360 if you'd like to support this 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